tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post6758441045964248073..comments2024-03-11T20:30:32.434-07:00Comments on Agent Provocateur: Qatil-e-Azam Mohammed Ali JinnahKanchan Guptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17471162952586442906noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-89143900337205466632011-03-19T05:44:17.260-07:002011-03-19T05:44:17.260-07:00This is very well written. Like you, I believe Par...This is very well written. Like you, I believe Partition was a good thing for Pakistan. I also wrote about the Creation of Pakistan recently. Do go through my article if you get a chance.<br /><br />http://zainabkhawaja.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/was-pakistan-really-made-for-islam/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069542424992893831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-24871499747904436992009-10-21T09:02:47.534-07:002009-10-21T09:02:47.534-07:00Sacking of Jaswant was good riddance. He was on th...Sacking of Jaswant was good riddance. He was on the take probably for various reasons. Another example to prove that senile people should adopt Vanaprastha. They all handed over all the power of PM to Mishraji who played babu giri to the hilt. To-day BJP has to swallow hard and keep quiet because of the antics of these old people who were already compromised people. Vajpayee's recorded indescretions was his achilles heel. So he plied the country with the euphoria of a dud bomb along with Kalam. The missile man could not produce one flawless missile. They can fool only the public not India's enemies. No wonder Pak or China or even Bangladesh and Srilanka takes liberties with us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-31065061401209532682009-09-12T23:42:46.445-07:002009-09-12T23:42:46.445-07:00Mr. Shourie did not attend the meeting deliberatel...Mr. Shourie did not attend the meeting deliberately.The inside storynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-36231650665497786352009-09-12T21:01:32.791-07:002009-09-12T21:01:32.791-07:00Well everyone has been asking Swapan and Kanchan t...Well everyone has been asking Swapan and Kanchan to write on what happened in the 2 day RSS conclave. I can confirm that not only Swapan or Kanchan will maintain silence but all the 30 who attended the meeting would do so.<br /><br />This post about is based on the interpretation of the conversations I had with few attendees of the conclave<br /><br />1) Everyone I spoke to was very uncomfortable to discuss on the nuts and bolts of the meeting.<br /><br />2) All claimed that no leaks & secrecy is the success of the conclave<br /><br />3) All the attendees were asked not to disclose the details of the meeting<br /><br />4) None of the attendees were allowed to give their road map for the future of BJP;there was one presented by Mohan Bhagwatji and everyone was asked to debate on the same.<br /><br />5) There was no discussion on who would be next president or who would be next PM candidate.<br /><br />6) There was an expression of guilt from the RSS for the Advani-Jinnah episode of 2005 (recall Sudharshan meeting with Advani earlier this month). RSS feels Jaswant expulsion was done to second guess it and feels sorry about the incident.<br /><br />7) RSS did not favor Jaswant reinstatement as it felt it would create another news controversy. As Jaswant is in the end of his career it prefers Manvendar over Jaswant.<br /><br />8) RSS preferred discussing the Institution over Individuals<br /><br />9) If everyone is puzzled about who is taking over Atal-Advani era, it appears that it is Shourie-Bhagwat. There seems to be an attempt to marry the organisational skills of the Bhagwat & brain of Shourie<br /><br />10) Finally, RSS favors complete autonomy of the BJP and roadmap contained details on how and when BJP will get its autonomy.The inside storynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-65342883226697085042009-09-11T01:17:39.223-07:002009-09-11T01:17:39.223-07:00Kanchan da,
Since you have access to the BJP leade...Kanchan da,<br />Since you have access to the BJP leaders, can you explain why are they on the defensive?<br /><br />I do not understand why BJP is quiet. They should come out and have a press conference and present the following facts<br /><br />1. Congress rules Manipal, Maharashtra and AP top the country in encounters. Why is the Congress and establishment(read media) quiet?<br />2. Raise serious doubts about Tamang report. <br /> How does the judge know that the 2 terrorists whose bodies have not been claimed are Indians? <br /> Did Guj police kidnap them from Pak? or were they kidnapped by UFOs?<br /> If they were kidnapped on June 12, why did no one, not one of the families lodged a complaint till the encounter 2 days later?<br /> Don't these police officers have alibi that they were home or close to home on June 12? It is not just Ishrat who has a family, these officers have families too.<br />3. Denounce the centre for playing politics with regard to terrorism. State that by doing so, they are putting the aam citizens life in danger and blame the Sonia-MMS govt squarely for India being the second most terror attack victim after Iraq. Charge them with gross continuing negligence and vindictiveness towards honest upright officers for speaking the truth.<br />"Meanwhile, the Centre on Wednesday axed its legal officer who failed to point this fact out to the Home Ministry, which had filed an affidavit in the Gujarat High Court.<br /><br />According to highly-placed sources in the Law Ministry, a decision was taken on Wednesday to remove the Standing Counsel of the Centre in the Gujarat High Court, who vetted the affidavit, dated August 6, 2004 filed in response to a petition filed by Ishrat’s mother in the High Court."<br />From<br />http://www.dailypioneer.com/201605/Gujarat-HC-stays-‘fake-encounter’-report.htmlM. Patilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205833381024165968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-31628269882497954062009-09-11T01:14:00.181-07:002009-09-11T01:14:00.181-07:00Right Angle said:
"The people should know, i...Right Angle said:<br /><br />"The people should know, if jinnah created pakistan for muslims, what the hell were the gandhi and nehru doing?<br /><br />The myth of the gandhis and nehrus and the congress should be exposed as much as possible."<br /><br />Exactly, what did the Nehru after Gandhi dies about the Hindu population in Pakistan? Should'nt he be morallly held responsible for the genocide of Hindus in PAk?M. Patilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205833381024165968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-79410872033176214562009-09-10T12:33:24.841-07:002009-09-10T12:33:24.841-07:00kanchan,
We need not care about Jinnah any more. ...kanchan,<br /><br />We need not care about Jinnah any more. He got what he want, and went away with it.<br /><br />The important thing for india is first to expose those coward stooges of congress right from independance.<br /><br />The people should know, if jinnah created pakistan for muslims, what the hell were the gandhi and nehru doing?<br /><br />The myth of the gandhis and nehrus and the congress should be exposed as much as possible.<br /><br />The real culprits of the indian problems should be exposed.Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-5389556381764859672009-09-09T01:21:54.298-07:002009-09-09T01:21:54.298-07:00Gypsy King said:
"Why is your colleague Swap...Gypsy King said:<br /><br />"Why is your colleague Swapan suddenly sounding so 'Secular'. Also maybe you should do an investigative piece on why the Indian media is so Congress friendly. It will be good to see the largesses that have been given to the media"<br /><br />Govt doles out Padma Shrees, Padma wthatevers and plots in post Journalists colonies. Growing up I used to wonder why they have Journalists colonies, now I know. <br /><br />As if all this is not enough there is advertising revenue from quazi govt agencies. To top it off, there was stimulus for media in the budget. <br /><br />Is is any surprise that the media especially electronic like NDTV and IBN act like the PR arm of Congress party?M. Patilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205833381024165968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-7807873152752975702009-09-08T03:14:20.055-07:002009-09-08T03:14:20.055-07:00Kanchan , i think with two Pakistans on either si...Kanchan , i think with two Pakistans on either side and one inside we will be busy for next 40 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-24904366317189165952009-09-08T02:33:58.229-07:002009-09-08T02:33:58.229-07:00Kanchan,
Excellent post. Jinnah was a qatil and ...Kanchan,<br /><br />Excellent post. Jinnah was a qatil and no two ways about it. JN was proabbly a Qatil but too a lesser extent. Sad no one took the wisdom of BR Ambedkar seriously.<br /><br />Off Topic, Why is your colleague Swapan suddenly sounding so 'Secular'. Also maybe you should do an investigative piece on why the Indian media is so Congress friendly. It will be good to see the largesses that have been given to the mediaGypsy Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-2216181154965946492009-09-07T08:08:05.018-07:002009-09-07T08:08:05.018-07:00I am not in the group of people who go against the...I am not in the group of people who go against the BJP philosophy (whatever that is). As you will now note, I do not talk about hannij. None of my post have discussed him.<br /><br />There is a land called the United States of America, with a President named Barrack Obama. He is bent on providing health care to all Americans, irrespective of caste, creed, color and religion. Their entire country is now involved in discussing the merits and demerits of his health care proposals.<br /><br />In India, we do not care about such silly things as health care for everyone. Since all politicians can get VIP health treatment free of cost, this is a non-issue here. We care for our prestige. Therefore, in full majesty of our respective posts, we pass diktats that show how powerful we are. If anyone talks about hannij. off with his head. Obsessed, really.<br /><br />I blog almost every day on the BJP at www.india15august.blogspot.comindia15augusthttp://www.india15august.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-69733769601411333272009-09-06T21:32:12.882-07:002009-09-06T21:32:12.882-07:00Why do we have to goto future. Are we not seeing w...Why do we have to goto future. Are we not seeing with the Kashmiri Hindus?. In post divided India, with a Hindu majority, Hindus were kicked out of Kashmir after 1990 for no fault of theirs.<br /><br />Those who do not learn from History are condemned to repeat it.<br /><br />Today Muslims make up anywhere between 200 Million to 350 Million (depending on whom you ask), If you ask the Delhi Jama Masjid Maulvi he will say 400 Million.<br /><br />Anyway, the point is that there is a big chunk of Muslims in India which easily could be the largest in the world.<br /><br />What if (and there is a real possibility) - , that the Muslim population becomes a Majority in India (quite possible in the next 2-3 decades), what then?......will repeat repeat itself.<br /><br />Then perhaps we would not even be left with an option for seperate homeland for Hindus. We might all go under the sword or get converted.Indian Nationalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15687454719063126461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-32299102569309058422009-09-06T21:20:11.786-07:002009-09-06T21:20:11.786-07:00Mr. Kanchan Gupta, like you my Grandfather was kil...Mr. Kanchan Gupta, like you my Grandfather was killed by Muslims in Punjab. 50% of my relatives were butchered, my female relative Gang raped by Muslims and killed by Multiple rapes simultaneously.<br /><br />Some people in India like English educated people or some people in Southern India will never never understand the pain of partition what we had to go through. My eldest uncle too came penniless from Pakistan(we were among the richest in Peshwar) but came back to India since we were Hindus.<br /><br />When we came to India, we thought that we will finally be safe since we are coming to a country for Hindus and Sikhs only.<br /><br />Little did we know that we were again stabbed on the back by Gandhi and Congress by allowing a large chunk of Muslim population to remain in India. <br />Our family was distraught at this news as we had suffered a lot.<br /><br />Those people sitting in India today and supporting Muslims or Congress will realize their mistakes when a similar Direct action day will repeat in their families. Then they will realize why we oppose Muslims.<br /><br />I pray to god that never happens but increasingly that is looking to be the reality.Indian Nationalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15687454719063126461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-47681502573647554232009-09-06T01:32:38.401-07:002009-09-06T01:32:38.401-07:00God rewarded Jinnah with TB. Let us see what his s...God rewarded Jinnah with TB. Let us see what his supporters will be rewarded with.Swabhimaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866849524625420699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-38966731783644781322009-09-06T01:06:32.093-07:002009-09-06T01:06:32.093-07:00Well said ..we do lament the lives lost, the tortu...Well said ..we do lament the lives lost, the torture poeople had to bear, but Partition was a good thig to happen. Ask the people who crossed over..would they have liked to live there in 'Pakistan' today? Ask their children..the answer is a clear NO. <br /><br />The KKK hater is sticking to the position KKK gave him! Where is his honesty, ideology and pride? Or is it just another WEAKNESS?sSwabhimaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866849524625420699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-56127330192529390082009-09-05T23:36:15.671-07:002009-09-05T23:36:15.671-07:00Jinnah wanted to lead. Since his chances were dim ...Jinnah wanted to lead. Since his chances were dim in India he opted for Pakistan. To get Pakistan, he instigated communal riots in the name of 'Direct Action' which led to the Great Calcutta killings. To stop further bloodshed Nehru agreed to partition. Jinnah can never be a hero in India. BJP was right to remove Jassu, who later called it the Ku Klux Klan. This after enjoying the fruits of Ministership while in BJP!Hari Shanker Deonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-58633244192540760842009-09-05T18:17:43.072-07:002009-09-05T18:17:43.072-07:00Truly sir,
Partition was the best thing that happ...Truly sir, <br />Partition was the best thing that happened to India. But I still believe BJP was wrong in expelling Jaswant singh without even reading his book.harishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03613292289456893839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-58693174690858294922009-09-05T12:36:35.608-07:002009-09-05T12:36:35.608-07:00Kanchan Da,
Following your article for a long time...Kanchan Da,<br />Following your article for a long time, like them to the core, I blog in lk advani forum, few days back wrote a similar article as yours, to clarify many misinformation in BJP supporters. I am pasting some of my comments on it.<br />http://www.lkadvani.in/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=6367<br /><br />Why I say United India would have been Plato’s Utopia? For that we need to understand the core idea which lead to partition, it was “Hindus and Muslims were separate nation because of their differences and cannot stay together”. <br /><br />Though this idea neither existed nor was practiced in the proletarian class and was rather forced upon them by self serving Muslim bourgeoisie, which constituted of educated Muslim / influential Muslim clergy/ erstwhile rulers/ feudal lords etc. The idea is a result of the psyche of the this class, which was basking in the lost glory of Muslim rule in India and no way would have allowed or accepted Hindu. <br /><br />The origination of this psyche can be found in Fall of Mughal Empire in 18th century and with rise of Marathas. Many may not know, buts it’s a fact that the rise of Maratha and their dominance on mughals was so much hated by muslim elites that they invited “Ahmad Shah Abdali” to invade their own country against their own Emperor to get rid of Maratha dominance.<br /><br />After 1857 sepoy mutiny and complete annihilation of Mughals, this class saw Hindus gaining prominance in British Empire and they were getting marginalized. It was then Sir Syed Ahmed Khan the founder of Aligarh Muslim University perpetuated the idea that Muslims should align with British to marginalize Hindus. His efforts lead to various communal awards to Muslims of India by British, who were using their divide and rule policy to fullest success. Later the same psyche was found in Aga Khan, Alma Iqbal, Rahmat Ali and later espoused by Jinnah for his own political and personal gains.<br /><br />It was the fear of Muslim elite that in a Hindu majority country, Hindus will use their majority to treat the Muslims as though they were Second-class citizens in an alien State. They had the guilt feeling that Hindus will treat them same as they treated Hindus for 800 years. It was the insecurity of the Muslim elite class who could not imagine being ruled by a Hindu Prime-Minister/President and wanted their own share of lost glory which lead to partition and ultimately creation of Pakistan.<br /><br />Regards,<br />S. ChatterjeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-40111703349829943802009-09-05T11:52:50.513-07:002009-09-05T11:52:50.513-07:00Not sure why any of this politicians will find any...Not sure why any of this politicians will find anything good about Jinnah ... <br /><br />Instead of delving into the complexities of finding minor/insignificant good things about people like Jinnah (even Ravan had some good things about him) ... lets keep it simple ... <br /><br />Lets focus on the karma of this person , the one which impacted people's lives .... Jinnah wanted a country based on religion .. he got it ... his actions leading to lakhs of people getting killed and displaced ....<br /><br />Jinnah is the real villian , others like Nehru may be responsible but not to that level !! <br /><br />Let no one in India try to make a hero of such a communal and hate-filled person !!Dhruvnoreply@blogger.com