tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post5051625152554907152..comments2024-03-11T20:30:32.434-07:00Comments on Agent Provocateur: BJP leaders feel the heat: A volcano about to erupt?Kanchan Guptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17471162952586442906noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-13218918793668722012009-06-23T11:50:20.666-07:002009-06-23T11:50:20.666-07:00OpenID offstumped said...
Kudos for some har...OpenID offstumped said...<br /><br /> Kudos for some hard hitting plain talk.<br /><br /> But I think you are walking into the hingsight is 20/20 trap with an excessive focus on electoral arithmetic.<br /><br /><br />Kanchan da ,<br />any reply to that ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-25207427884845029962009-06-23T00:33:34.114-07:002009-06-23T00:33:34.114-07:00Sir, what are your thoughts on the two day nationa...Sir, what are your thoughts on the two day national executive meeting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-76967608480566772702009-06-20T11:03:33.078-07:002009-06-20T11:03:33.078-07:00Kanchan is right.Instead of debating the road map ...Kanchan is right.Instead of debating the road map for future, leaders are out to punish each other.Hindus, Hindutva and Hindu Civilisation are still alive.With 116 seats they can protect Hindus and project themselves as their saviours.If CPM could do it with 60 seats, why can't you do with 116? If you play your poltics well, you will win majority next time.If you remain petty like this, you can be reduced to 40 in next elections, pl remember.Hindus are watching you,if you continue to fail them with such displays, they will finally turn their backs on you and find another alternative in next 10 years.Jitendra Desainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-24030781261825945412009-06-20T06:48:56.526-07:002009-06-20T06:48:56.526-07:00Yes, and the best part of the article is where you...Yes, and the best part of the article is where you use Navin Pattanayak's example to call the "developmental politics" bluff. Navin has made no development to talk for and yet he wins elections. And, the "development-politics-screaming-journalists" simply vanish into thin air.<br />Of course, the ELM has constantly harped on developmental politics ONLY when it comes to BJP. And, there are stupid enough people who'd swallow that. Reminds me of the power of propaganda (Bofors by the communists back in '90s)Bhavanandahttp://bhavananda.blog.co.innoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-81446959420823750862009-06-19T23:25:18.392-07:002009-06-19T23:25:18.392-07:00A nice article from tvr shenoy.. http://news.redi...A nice article from tvr shenoy.. http://news.rediff.com/column/2009/jun/17/tvr-shenoy-asks-if-the-bjp-is-a-hindu-party.htm<br /><br />Its clear crisp on what exactly is hindutva..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-43725368618053182802009-06-18T22:34:34.404-07:002009-06-18T22:34:34.404-07:00http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/17/stories/2009061755...<a href="http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/17/stories/2009061755160900.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/17/stories/2009061755160900.htm</a>Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-25621358589257090292009-06-18T20:48:12.193-07:002009-06-18T20:48:12.193-07:00@RightAngle,
the link you posted is not complete....@RightAngle, <br />the link you posted is not complete.Swabhimaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866849524625420699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-48184005042451845602009-06-18T18:58:00.754-07:002009-06-18T18:58:00.754-07:00BJP legislative party leader and senior cabinet mi...BJP legislative party leader and senior cabinet minister of Punjab Mr Manoranjan Kalia has been abused and issued threats by a lowly SAD legislator. How long can we tolerate the tyranny of Akalis despite being so strong in the state? Shame on central leadership for not letting us BJP guys have a DY CM in Punjab!<br />Central BJP leadership please stop being the yaars (friends) of Badal and support your own party instead of Akalis.<br /><br />LINKS: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090619/main3.htm<br /> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/BJP-boycotts-cabinet-after-MLA-Kalia-spat/articleshow/4674096.cmsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-36428608213201285752009-06-18T18:24:21.571-07:002009-06-18T18:24:21.571-07:00Mr. Gupta,
I quite agree with your diagnosis of t...Mr. Gupta,<br /><br />I quite agree with your diagnosis of the election being lost on the same old caste/vote bank arithmetic, all this talk of “politics of aspiration” notwithstanding. One wonders - do folks in the 116 constituencies that BJP won, have no aspirations? Or are there aspirations not aspiring enough! I also agree that they have to stop relying on the strength of allies. In state after state – wherever they have allied with non-Congress parties, they have enfeebled themselves and enlarged the space for the ally (Orrisa, Andhra Pradesh and Bihar are examples). In states where they have gone it alone for the long haul – they seemed to have managed in building a durable organization (Karnataka, Gujarat, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand are examples)<br />However, I do have a suggestion on which I would like you to respond (or hope you will anyways). Why cannot the BJP institute some kind of primary system for selecting state and national leadership? Why are they still relying on a top-down, command and control style of organization? It would ensure a cure for most things you are concerned about (wrong choice of candidates, organizational problem, leadership getting “what they want to hear” as opposed to “what they need to hear”, failure to anticipate voting patterns etc.) Can a primary (or any other intra-party democracy system) work in Indian political parties? Or is it an idea too soon and only end up wrecking things? I would like to hear what you think.Ghost Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04356705865349053471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-19256689906444464332009-06-18T16:27:13.999-07:002009-06-18T16:27:13.999-07:00Sudheendra Kulkarni needs to go! He is good for no...Sudheendra Kulkarni needs to go! He is good for nothing! Has proved to be a disaster for BJP.Satyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-22396766630264121982009-06-18T12:00:05.099-07:002009-06-18T12:00:05.099-07:00It seems clear that the moral compass of the BJP h...It seems clear that the moral compass of the BJP has gone haywire and any attempt at a reinvention should not happen without first defining what the core principles guiding the party are. BTW, These principles don't really have to be defined. They clearly exist in the principles espoused by Guruji and others of the same ilk. <br /><br />A sanitized version of the BJP sans this strong moral compass will be an inconsequential entity. <br /><br />A strong set of guiding principles will define what issues a right of center party can support and what it will oppose. This is a matter of very important detail but clearly doable. <br /><br />Your comments on Hindutva reflect a certain definition of Hindutva that you abide by. Obviously there are others in the BJP that dont believe in your definition. So sure lets not be apologize for Hindutva but first rescue Hindutva from the loonies who are bent on ruining it. <br /><br />Obviously the rescue has not even been initiated else the BJP would not have sat in the opposition with the taint of Varun Gandhi. BTW, that was a hate speech. I challenge anybody who thinks otherwise to tell me whether any senior leader in the BJP or the RSS would ever have used that sort of language in any fora. It was pathetic and the fact that the BJP did not take strong action is lamentable. Again, Varun's explanations for his comments betrayed a certain definition of Hindutva that exists in his sick mind. That he believed in a sick interpretation of hindutva can be attributed to his lack of education in the core principles that the BJP supposedly believes in. <br /><br />So let the volcano erupt if only to purge such sick minds from the BJP.Arjunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03517934789067579212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-22425140913152760902009-06-18T08:49:44.239-07:002009-06-18T08:49:44.239-07:00Kanchan,
Please check this news. I do not know h...Kanchan, <br /><br />Please check this news. I do not know how true this news is <br /><br />http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?a=jgsp0qijgcf&title=No_Kargil_Divas_this_year&?vsv=TopHP1<br /><br />Ten years after the Kargil conflict, the government wants us to forget it. <br /><br />The government has reportedly issued a circular to the armed forces once again, saying it would not be officially celebrating the 10th anniversary of the Kargil war on July 26 this year.<br /><br />Sources told Sify.com that the decision was purportedly taken to avoid `rubbing salt into Pakistan`s wounds` at a time when the peace process was once again being re-initiated.Communalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10886105994211072476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-54117453919820299912009-06-17T23:02:21.820-07:002009-06-17T23:02:21.820-07:00Kanchan... We are debating different things on el...Kanchan... We are debating different things on electoral defeat..<br /><br />But have we ever discussed EVM fraud?<br /><br />Please read subramania swamy's latest article on hindu..<br /><br />http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/17/stories/2009061755160900.htm<br /><br />We cannot ignore this angle..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-45867452135166593562009-06-17T22:02:42.857-07:002009-06-17T22:02:42.857-07:00This is the most convincing commentary I have read...This is the most convincing commentary I have read so far. Most of the rest is hand-wringing and flailing about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-65587095691616502102009-06-17T16:02:55.472-07:002009-06-17T16:02:55.472-07:00Dear Shri Kanchan Gupta
Good twitter debate.
Mor...Dear Shri Kanchan Gupta<br /><br />Good twitter debate.<br /><br />More links for your reference.<br /><br />- World Bank Study by Deepa Narayan titled “Moving out of poverty” echoes Offstumped on BPL census analysis http://is.gd/ZLSm <br /><br />- How to differentiate on true freedom to local government (covers Golwalkar and Govindacharya shud interest you)<br /><br />http://offstumped.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/the-third-freedom-movement/<br /><br />- Hard facts from 2002 BPL Census Data <br />http://offstumped.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/from-agitational-politics-to-aspirational-politics/<br /><br />Keep the debate going till we distill coherence and clarity else a Congress clone with muddled feel-good moderation on everthing else will be neither here nor there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-52861622149969261382009-06-17T10:43:53.558-07:002009-06-17T10:43:53.558-07:00Vasundara Raje will do better on the national scen...Vasundara Raje will do better on the national scene. Plus, getting her out of Rajasthan will clear some space for the rest of the folks. Her chances of becoming CM again are not too bright. <br /><br />Same applies to BC Khanduri, but we can afford to delay this.Aam Aadminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-88726653495298438582009-06-16T23:09:53.072-07:002009-06-16T23:09:53.072-07:00Agree with Jaideep that issue such as UCC, Art 370...Agree with Jaideep that issue such as UCC, Art 370etc are not considered by the masses as important isues. This does not mean that the party should drop them. These issues have national significance and reflect the principles the BJP stands for. The manifestos/Vision documents do talk about issues that interest voters and are current.Swabhimaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866849524625420699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-3302255992259122062009-06-16T22:19:25.754-07:002009-06-16T22:19:25.754-07:00Be it 2004 or 2009, the Congress won these states ...Be it 2004 or 2009, the Congress won these states - AP, Kerala, TN. Alliances or no alliances. The BJP has to improve its presence in these places. Otherwise, it will go from bad to worse. <br /><br />If the BJP "gets rid" of Hindutva it will become a Congress clone without the "ruling family". Is that what the party wants?<br /><br />For now, the party must get rid of many of the deadwoods there - get out those responsible for the UP debacle and make the party more youth friendly. <br /><br />The battle for 2014 has to begin now - "Aunty" incumbence will not gift the chair to the BJP because the numbers are way too short.ecophilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04169434456925299608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-42324026153886929132009-06-16T21:51:07.396-07:002009-06-16T21:51:07.396-07:00Hitting the nail on its head!!!Hitting the nail on its head!!!Mavericknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-4595710306678217872009-06-16T20:51:24.328-07:002009-06-16T20:51:24.328-07:00What is the next Karnataka for BJP? It took decade...<i>What is the next Karnataka for BJP? It took decades of self-less RSS work in that state before BJP came to power.<br /><br />I have been banging my head for the conversion of SJM into a political party so we can have a <b>Left-of-Center complement to the BJP</b> and expand in areas that the BJP is unable to.<br /><br />Without new states, there is no hope of ever tasting power again.</i>Arunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-45349612560254031652009-06-16T18:54:01.049-07:002009-06-16T18:54:01.049-07:00All this angst about the election results is just ...All this angst about the election results is just so much hand-wringing by the disappointed, and misdirection by the self-anointed arbiters of truth in the English language media in India.<br /><br />True, the Indian Right did not win the national election, but let's not forget that the real losers, the utterly demolished ones, are the Left.<br /><br />BJP retained its strength throughout the country. It's the CPI, CPM etc. that got blown to smithereens. To the extent that they were the vanguard of attacks on the Right, and Center, the BJP must be considered to have actually been vindicated, if not actually been voted into confidence by, at least, its own base. <br /><br />As to why Congress won is simple, incumbancy. That BJP is not in power is due simply to Advani's foolishness on Jinnah, and to their opposition to the Nuclear Deal. <br /><br />The Indian Right has nothing to be ashamed of, or to apologize for. Just stop believing what you hear in the English media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-28171605218363548532009-06-16T17:08:37.230-07:002009-06-16T17:08:37.230-07:00Kudos for some hard hitting plain talk.
But I th...Kudos for some hard hitting plain talk. <br /><br />But I think you are walking into the hingsight is 20/20 trap with an excessive focus on electoral arithmetic. <br /><br />Leadership is not about the electoral landscape as it exists but about remaking it as it ought to be by breaking thru existing social coalitions to stitch new ones.<br /><br />You allude to this in your diagnosis of Delhi when you refer to the BJP not understanding the demographics of a cosmopolitan city.<br /><br />I have said this in private in other fora and let me say it here as well, there was a time when the BJP in Delhi reflected middle class India's aspirations, its choice of candidates in Delhi reflected Middle class role models.<br /><br />The fact that neither was the case this time around speaks volumes about the Vision/Aspiration deficit.<br /><br />This is one strong reason why there needs to be a wholesale overhaul with Visionary Leadership that remakes the movement with a Missionary Zeal to break thru last centuries calculus of caste and religon based vote banks.<br /><br />One last quibble we now have a 4th definition of Hindutva after MG Vaidya's pluarity of faith, MMJoshi's austere way of life apart from the more popular definition that Jaideep alludes to above.<br /><br />Rather than get defensive on the Hindutva debate you should reflect on why there are so many interpretations and the associated incoherence.<br /><br />Important to realize the debate is <br /><br />1. not on the relevance of "essence of Hindu thought" <br />2. but on articulating a coherent ideology that is <br />a) consistently understood, <br />b) interpreted <br />c) and applied to make policy choices when in and out of government <br />d) as well as to extrapolate on choices to be made on issues likely crop up in the futureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-35740313455753145932009-06-16T15:52:28.539-07:002009-06-16T15:52:28.539-07:00Dear Kanchan,
dont you think the issues that BJP s...Dear Kanchan,<br />dont you think the issues that BJP supporters prefer the party to raise such as UCC, Art 370, etc are not considered by the masses as important isues as far as election issues. This lads to a strange problem for the BJP; Issues which enthuse the cadre dont appeal to the masses while those on which the people vote dont appeal to the party faithful. A referendum on issues such as Art 370, UCC and Ram Mandir I am sure will be in favour of the BJP position, however an election in India is never fought on these issuesJaideephttp://twitter.com/jaideepsknoreply@blogger.com