tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post2419894261003669413..comments2024-03-11T20:30:32.434-07:00Comments on Agent Provocateur: Here, There, Nowhere...Kanchan Guptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17471162952586442906noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-49428887683897276402012-04-23T01:30:20.364-07:002012-04-23T01:30:20.364-07:00I have gone through all the comments and the artic...I have gone through all the comments and the articles. It appears that this blog writer is more polarized to some ideology and try to defend the people who would support them even if they are criminal.<br /><br />Around 48 comments only one or two alone shows the disagreement(I do not know whether others have been moderated!!!!). <br /><br />May be the author will also take note of the point that Mr.Chandrababu Naidu was credited with the development and modernization of Andhra but has been thrown out by the masses. Now Mr. Modi. He has already tasted one small defeat in a by-election!! If he is changed in the coming election what are you going to write? keep your article ready incase it happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-89835525886535336082012-04-14T05:34:34.914-07:002012-04-14T05:34:34.914-07:00A lot of liberals oppose the idea that what happen...A lot of liberals oppose the idea that what happened in the anti-Sikh riots of 1984 have any relevance to the discussions about the Gujarat riots. I am not so sure. All issues need to be discussed within a relevant context. Nothing should be viewed in isolation. Now, why does context matter? An example. In India, when I spit on the roads, nobody notices. I do that in Singapore, I go to jail. What is the difference? Nothing but the context. In the same way, what is the context to communal riots in India. Was Gujarat the first, the worst? If not, what happened to the Chief Minisiters/ Prime Minister under whose watch the other riots ocurred? All these questions matter and liberals cannot shy away from it.Ranjan Sreedharanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00609807468786374728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-18747038134055607722012-03-10T21:45:51.888-08:002012-03-10T21:45:51.888-08:00Am hugely surprised by the first point that Kancha...Am hugely surprised by the first point that Kanchan Gupta makes. Does the number of death toll is a significant measure to determine whether the is more or less ghastly? Am ashamed that somebody writes this and also seconded by others. It does not matter whether 10, 100 or 1000 thousands die. The fact that this is perpetrated by somebody who was in power and did not do anything to protect the property and livelihoods of people makes the integrity of such person questionable and those whose support it as well. Don't see a reason to read the rebuttal beyond this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-82502317890557266492012-03-03T13:16:16.214-08:002012-03-03T13:16:16.214-08:00Let me start by saying that i have no idea whom sa...Let me start by saying that i have no idea whom salil tripathi or you are,besides the fact that you are both journalists.<br /><br />Salil Tripathi(hereafter ST) has undoubtedly used strong language in his article(which some <br />might feel is not becoming of a senior journalist),but you have validated his point that Modi <br />defenders always bring up 1984 as a response to 2002.The first half of your article has described how the 1984 pogrom was undoubtedly worse than the 2002 riots.Why does 1984 enter into the equation at all.Your entire article goes on about the congress and Rajiv Gandhi.Whereas ST mentions both only in his opening lines and goes on to other points.Remove 1984 from your memory and try to analyze 2002 as a stand alone event.<br />The reason people blame Modi,is that he gave cause to blame by his comments of a "Hindu reaction" and his refusal to apologise for the godhra carnage.For even if he was not directly responsible,he as the Chief Minister of the state,was responsible for maintaining Law and Order,at which he proved to be grossly incompetent,if not in collusion with the perpetrators.<br />And you ask us open minded people to dismiss all proof of his involvement in the riots such as the testimonies of ex judges and cops,as a Congress conspiracy.<br />And what about his transferring of cops who did their duty and protected the minorities??Why was no action taken against policemen who simply stood by??If he was the Superman a lot of people make him out to be,the riots would never have happened.And I,a citizen of Jammu and Kashmir, know how effectively the state can put down any attempt at rioting if it wishes to,so please spare us the line that people were drunk with bloodlust and that nothing could have stopped them.And should we as intelligent 'secularists' ignore the news coming out of gujarat regarding the treatment of minorities and rehabilitation of the riot victims??<br />Yes Modi,according to my gujarati friends, has done a lot for gujarat,but that does not mean we elevate him onto a pedestal and turn a blind eye to his past actions.abhinavnbhathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17411409146415145008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-33021103404033041772012-03-02T05:35:34.906-08:002012-03-02T05:35:34.906-08:00I am simply speechless.
RonakI am simply speechless.<br /><br />RonakRonaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-41622475854332277662012-03-01T22:55:23.844-08:002012-03-01T22:55:23.844-08:00Absolutly brilliant slap on face from you dada.
Mo...Absolutly brilliant slap on face from you dada.<br />Modi haters are backed by Congress is no hidden fact for primary students too, now!<br />If Modi is killer, why voters dont throw him out believing Congress ?Envynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-44730693160015088532012-03-01T22:20:59.477-08:002012-03-01T22:20:59.477-08:00Folks,
Salil Tripathi worked for Amnesty Internat...Folks,<br /><br />Salil Tripathi worked for Amnesty International during the riots in Gujarat and the period of a few years after that and it was Amnesty's agenda that the deaths of Hindus in the riots must be suppressed so that the riots could be described as a pogrom.<br /><br />Salil Tripathi is just his master's voice and he does the bidding of his masters in the West. Why do you expect otherwise? After all, he had NO OPINION on free speech related matters until he started working for Index on Censorship, a London based far-left group.<br /><br /><br />Amnesty has also not explained how a brawl over the price of tea can result in firebombing. I have had many arguments in the markets over the price of vegetables and not once was the retaliation in the form of hurling petrol bombs at me.<br /><br />Wonder if it is normal for people in Gujarat to carry cans of petrol with them.<br /><br />To those who asked about the comment by Pranab Mukherji, he claimed that he was the next in line for being the PM.Arvindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-40700866875431526792012-03-01T21:02:16.902-08:002012-03-01T21:02:16.902-08:00Sir, please write in some simple english which a n...Sir, please write in some simple english which a non-perfect english knowing like me can understand. But as far as I can understand very good article.Santosh Pawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12256013604111102075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-62317368651370899632012-03-01T19:35:17.261-08:002012-03-01T19:35:17.261-08:00For those who are glossing over Dynasty, where wer...For those who are glossing over Dynasty, where were you when 'Rajiv' became PM, got a Bharat Ratna, and has his name over hundreds of projects all over India?<br /><br />B.t.w, no one is fooled by your faux liberal mask.M. Patilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205833381024165968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-25063813934516055422012-03-01T11:16:07.804-08:002012-03-01T11:16:07.804-08:00Well you got a new follower, and perhaps you made ...Well you got a new follower, and perhaps you made Salil more popular today. . These responses on the blogs makes a for a lovely reading and helps bringing objectivity for people to make choices..(secular or otherwise) :)<br /><br />Seeing reactions on the blog, one would just wish that the next pogrom does not originate from twitter<br />All the bestVishalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-88647551799904625402012-03-01T11:08:44.414-08:002012-03-01T11:08:44.414-08:00Dada you are brilliant.Dada you are brilliant.sanjayleonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-85785375835357717402012-03-01T10:38:22.511-08:002012-03-01T10:38:22.511-08:00@parvez the same minority that is voting for him i...@parvez the same minority that is voting for him in Gujrat or the minority which was enticed to leave Gujrat but in the end in the end realized they are safer and more prosperous back home ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-32429279285756713082012-03-01T10:34:52.382-08:002012-03-01T10:34:52.382-08:00lol. The moron just babbled nonsense. And it had t...lol. The moron just babbled nonsense. And it had to take someone of the stature of Kanchan Gupta to call his bluff. Just loved the "tearing apart" of Salil Tripathi.Dinipchttp://www.iconwebsolutions.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-18549835324734721272012-03-01T09:40:21.861-08:002012-03-01T09:40:21.861-08:00No amount of reasoning can hide the fact that Nare...No amount of reasoning can hide the fact that Narendra Modi not only supported the riots, he master minded and promoted it. Not only that, false shootouts were done to kill innocent and create an environment of insecurity for minorities. This can be only understood by a minority.Parvezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384880381920290690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-10664287304594205962012-03-01T07:39:54.177-08:002012-03-01T07:39:54.177-08:00Dear Red-Devil - it helps to read before commentin...Dear Red-Devil - it helps to read before commenting. In case you missed it, I started with Rajiv Gandhi.<br /><br />I realise that there is no objectivity here at all (starting from Kanchan's point that the number of dead has relative relevance in the heinousness of the crimes). So no point, in this frothing-at-the-mouth Nehru-Gandhi family bashing. Please go ahead, it makes for fun reading. Nothing, in Kanchan's post or your responses show why Modi should be considered a PM candidate, only why Rajiv is more to blame than Modi. That is really funny! :)Anirban Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14271659480660156583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-7500268883906332762012-03-01T07:35:58.669-08:002012-03-01T07:35:58.669-08:00Dear Red Devil...in case you missed it, I started ...Dear Red Devil...in case you missed it, I started with Rajiv Gandhi, and disagreed with Salil Tripathi's point. And yes, calling the 1984 sikh killings a pogrom is, in a pretty direct way, an indictment. You probably come from the school of thinking where only direct, abusive name-calling is considered worthwhile, so I understand the inability to understand. The whole goal here is to throw abuse at the Nehru-Gandhi clan, under whatever pretext and irrespective of context. I am no fan of our so-called 'first family', so don't really care either way. Unfortunately, objectivity loses out in all this frothing-at-the-mouth expostulating. Carry on, makes for fun reading...Anirban Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14271659480660156583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-68124716469606336372012-03-01T07:12:49.328-08:002012-03-01T07:12:49.328-08:00Dear Anirban Bhattacharya, other Modi-haters, here...Dear Anirban Bhattacharya, other Modi-haters, here is an ultimate response: if you hate him so much then go and vote for those who are against him. If you can not do that (since your belief in law and democracy is so strong), then go and submit proof of Modi's collusion in the supreme court. We dont want to hear what ex judges said or cops said or journalists said. If these are acceptable and valid proof, court will admit them and punish him. <br /><br />If you can not do either, then bark. That is what dogs can do. But don't expect others canSidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-85819607391452454142012-03-01T06:21:11.582-08:002012-03-01T06:21:11.582-08:00Dear Mr.Anirban Bhattacharya ..do permit me to cal...Dear Mr.Anirban Bhattacharya ..do permit me to call you "<i>dada</i>" (honor is all mine)....<br /><br />Thank you <i>dada</i> for kindly admiting 1984 was a pogrom. Which it was, since 5000 sikhs were butchered in Delhi and 10000 all over India. But <i>dada</i>, you forgot to say who was responsible for the killing of sikhs ? Surely they were not killed by aliens, <i>dada</i>. They were killed by Congress workers. Congress workers who answered directly to the then Congress president and India's prime minister Shri.Rajiv Gandhi, Bharat Ratna. Shri.Rajiv did nothing to prevent those deaths apart from suggesting that "when the great banyan tree falls, earth shakes"... and this Rajiv Gandhi is the epitome of secularism, in whose name his wife and kids ask for votes, and have named 1/2 the country after. (Other half, as you know <i>dada</i>, is named after his mummy and granpappy).<br /><br />However <i>dada</i>, you say not a word on Rajiv Gandhi. You say a lot about Modi. Which says a lot about you <i>dada</i>.<br /><br />But at least saying nothing is better than Salil Tripathi, who absolves Shri.Rajiv Gandhi of all crimes and culpability as he was "in mourning" and so the week long massacre of 10000 sikhs, including 5000 in Delhi, escaped his notice..(which is understandable.) Also he was a prime minister "only for a few days"...so any dereliction on his part, like not noticing when thousands of sikhs were killed by his henchmen in the city he lived in - was wholly justifiable.<br /><br />Anyway, <i>dada</i>, thank you for hearing me out.Red_Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05888426225014716362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-29044948451562580772012-03-01T04:52:47.954-08:002012-03-01T04:52:47.954-08:00MP: Thanks for pointing out the error; it has been...MP: Thanks for pointing out the error; it has been corrected. Hazards of late night writing after a full day's work!Kanchan Guptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17471162952586442906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-12578515551572588132012-03-01T04:37:49.353-08:002012-03-01T04:37:49.353-08:00Love Kanchan Gupta for his selective version of th...Love Kanchan Gupta for his selective version of the truth! While I agree that Rajiv Gandhi cannot be absolved as the grieving orphan floundering about and unable to protect his inheritance, Kanchan conveniently ignores many of the points raised by Salil. Maybe because he knows that whatever he doles out wiLL receive the fawning support of fellow rabid saffronites, who wouldn't have bothered to read the original article Kanchan is attempting to rebut. <br /><br />I love the way he ignores the point that riots in Gujarat lingered for 4-months, and the sense of insecurity lingers among minorities even now! The prompt action of calling the army was an eye-wash, and more Muslims died in later violence, after the army was withdrawn. This stance is the BJP's old trick, as is the attempt to match numbers of deaths to show one as dirtier than the other. Fools nobody, except those with blinkers...<br /><br />There is no sense of justice, no convictions (except the Bilkis Bano case), blatant suppression of minority rights, and a sense of fear pervades even after a decade. So much so that the SC has to move cases out of Gujarat in the hope of fair trial! <br /><br />It will serve the Modi fans to find out what the amicus curae's views are, or what retired judges and cops have to say about Modi's collusion. Or what Babu Bajrangi, caught on tape, said about leadership in the train-burning aftermath. Or, if they choose to, watch Rakesh Sharma's eye-opening "Final Solution". I expect none of these. So, Kanchan will obfuscate and talk selectively, and blind faithfulls will follow.<br /><br />The fact is that 1984 WAS a pogrom. And here Salil is wrong. But in other points, he is bang on, pointing out the hypocrisy and the lies of Modi's government, be it in development figures to claims of secular governance. As someone who frequents Ahmedabad, I know how the minority Muslims feel, about their rights, security, future. Their chances of jobs, education, property values... Let's not go there...<br /><br />So, Kanchan, well done. Another blatantly one-sided commentary, showing your colours. Seriously, drop this garb of journalism and wear khaki shorts and swing sticks at Muslim heads. I can assure you, many followers from here will come with you, "dada"!Anirban Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14271659480660156583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-48719653758466415392012-03-01T04:20:29.216-08:002012-03-01T04:20:29.216-08:00Riot was engineered in Delhi; it was spontaneous i...Riot was engineered in Delhi; it was spontaneous in Gujarat.sunaathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13386371953472087631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-17653966689134544272012-03-01T03:20:05.793-08:002012-03-01T03:20:05.793-08:00Thanks for the excellent rebuttal Kanchan-da.
Reg...Thanks for the excellent rebuttal Kanchan-da.<br /><br />RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-22681015897631838732012-03-01T02:26:51.651-08:002012-03-01T02:26:51.651-08:00Brilliant piece as always dada.
In the penultimat...Brilliant piece as always dada.<br /><br />In the penultimate line, you mention a comment by Pranab Mukherjee on the day of Indira Gandhi's assassination.<br /><br />Please share that comment &/ a link to it.<br /><br />Thanks & keep up the brilliant work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-41351568157988768832012-03-01T01:18:58.661-08:002012-03-01T01:18:58.661-08:00Wonderful response and well articulated . You made...Wonderful response and well articulated . You made valid point comparing # of people killed in Sikh riot vs Ghodra. One thing which I want to bring is impact of this riot , Ghodra could not reach my small town Darbhanga where as Sikh riot did made a impact inside my small hometown. I have seen Sikh shops getting burned during riot. <br />Now we can talk about impact and intensity <br /><br />Thanks,<br />Vikash Kumar RoyVikash Kumar Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13159890027438234801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32951515.post-36840987929467321832012-03-01T01:11:45.416-08:002012-03-01T01:11:45.416-08:00This was brilliant. Attacking any BJP/RSS man is k...This was brilliant. Attacking any BJP/RSS man is kosher for some people irrespective of anything else.My three centshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385936205729492548noreply@blogger.com